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Hi, we're currently evaluating FogBugz, and there has been displeasure with the wiki. Let me describe our introduction to the FogBugz wiki, as maybe this is a learn-ability issue:

  1. I log in, select Wiki from the top of the page, and click Customize.
  2. From this page, I click New Wiki, am taken to the New Wiki page, fill in some default/test values, click OK. We'll call this root wiki "Root Wiki".
  3. I've been taken back to the list of Wiki's (where I originally click New Wiki), I click the link to my Wiki, and I'm taken to this Root Article. I save it.
  4. I click New (for a New Article), add some text ("Error Number 9 means the software will explode"), and save it.

This is where I feel the Wiki falls down.

So, I'm looking at my saved article, so I select "Root Wiki" from the top of the page (where I previously selected Customize). I'm taken to the text of my root page, but my new article is not linked in any way to this root.

Ick.

I'm asking myself, "where is this article I created?", so I search on "Error Number" and get "no results" (although, I think this is just a delay while search indexes my article in some way).

It seems, to me, that because I created this article under the Root Wiki, it should be automatically linked to it. Or, on the new wiki page, give me options (drop-down?) to select the Root Wiki.

It can be very cumbersome to now have to update the root wiki with links to your new articles (make sure you remember your article name and/or have the url handy!)

In addition, now there's a real effort (on somebody's part) to categorize these articles (sub-categories, etc). Again, it seems like something that could happen at the time of writing the new article.

I mean, sure, I can take the extra steps, but is everyone, who we are trying to get to use this product, going to be as diligent? Is there going to be slight (or longer) moments of confusion as I experienced?

I suppose this is a feature request, unless I'm missing something (that's why I laid out the steps I took). Thanks!

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This is indeed a sore point for FogBugz 7. The good news is that FogBugz 8 will include a wiki navigation sidebar by default and other features to make managing and navigating a wiki much easier.

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We were evaluating other wiki's/knowledge base's, to work in conjunction with FB7, but now we'll still get FB7 and wait until FB8 before pulling the trigger on other software. Thanks for the heads up! – Bill C Aug 19 2010 at 23:06
We're in beta for FogBugz 8, btw. shop.fogcreek.com/beta – Rich Armstrong Aug 20 2010 at 12:13
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If you modify step 4, you won't have this problem. Rather than clicking the New menu item to create that new page, click Insert->New Article. This will prompt you for a title, click OK, and you now automatically have a link to that article on your root. Save, click on the new link to edit, etc.

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Great tip, Greg – Ken Morse Aug 20 2010 at 1:46
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We've used quite a few different wikis, Bill and have found that with many of them, the TOC page is nothing more than a regular wiki page which you have to keep up-to-date yourself.

By default, the FB 7 wiki is no different. You might find the Wiki Article Index plugin helpful though, it creates a table of contents listing all articles in the wiki.

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That was helpful, it makes it better. But, we need an easier way for our Support guys to create hierarchies. Thanks for the suggestion. – Bill C Aug 19 2010 at 18:55
Sounds like FB 8 has some wiki enhancements so you might want to get your name on the beta list and see if it does more of what you're looking for. – Ken Morse Aug 19 2010 at 19:02
Thanks a lot for the response, I look forward to FB 8. – Bill C Aug 19 2010 at 23:04

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